Episode 8: I Need Stuff For Crazy People


Join in on the discussion with Steph, Katie, Peppermint, and Aaron as we talk about the mistakes we made when we first started digital scrapbooking. We also share the things that you shouldn’t worry about as you get going, ideas for where to start, and the things we think every digital scrapbooker should know.

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88 Responses to Episode 8: I Need Stuff For Crazy People

  1. Katie says:

    I love the title :) LOL

    • Deirdre says:

      I have to relisten because I must have missed that line! Oy—hate that!

    • MitzyGoose says:

      I know you’ve covered this topic many times – however, I have to ask. When discussing organizing digital Scrapbook supplies, the discussion is usually around Lightroom, ACDSee and some others. But you never mention Extensis Portfolio. It doesn’t crash like ACDSee does, it can write the meta data back to the files like they say Lightroom does. The major advantage is that it does manage a HUGE number of formats, including PNG and PDF. The PNG handling isn’t perfect so I may index JPG copies of the PNGs. I needed a PDF indexer for my collection of PDF patterns, web site printouts etc.

      I was really excited to get Lightroom and be a “pro”, but after downloading the trial version, I really found it to be a photography tool that really didn’t work well for digital scrapbook supplies. When I checked the websites describing use of Lightroom and scrapbook supplies, it seemed like they had lots of ways to get around issues such as no support for PNG! I already have tools to fix my photos (including Photoshop CS5, Nikon Capture and NIK tools)…I don’t need more.

      When I found Extensis, I decided to try the trial version to verify that it would do what I wanted and wouldn’t crash.

      • MitzyGoose says:

        sorry…had a bit more to say. I was happily surprised to find that Extensis had smart collections and lots of the other features that everyone talks about with Lightroom. It did crash when I tried to load my thousands of items in, all at once. But when I broke it up into smaller batches, it did much better and hasn’t had a problem since.

        I’ll probably wait until the entire trial period is over to make a final decision. But I’m curious…did you guys try Extensis and not like it? Or did you just not try it?

        • Katie says:

          I’ve never heard of that program before, will have to check it out. You’re right that Lightroom is mainly a photographer’s tool. Kayla has found a way to use the program for organizing, but that’s not what it was ever intended for.

        • Kayla says:

          Here’s the issues I see – I don’t know about you, but when I spend all that time tagging and organizing, I want it to be for the last time. The best chances of that happening are having the tags written to the inside of the file. Without that, if you ever get a corrupt database file, you will lose most of your work.

          Another important thing to remember is that PNG files do not store metadata – I write more about it here: http://bit.ly/ndMmFX

          I use Lightroom because I love working in it with my photos and wanted to organize my supplies there to create the workflow I envisioned. Admittedly it is a little out of the box for what LR was meant to be. However, if you truly want to organize your PNG files, no matter what organization software you use, you will need to convert the PNG to TIF to be able to store the keywords/tags. Alternatively you could do what Steph does and just keyword the previews for your kits in Lightroom – keeping things easy peasy!

          To understand more of my system and for step by step tutorials on how I do things, you can check out my Lightroom class on both photos and supplies here – http://bit.ly/fA3KKI

          Hope that helps! :)

      • Peppermint says:

        Interesting, I’ve never heard of Extensis Portfolio before! Maybe some other folks have used it and can chime in. I’ve had pretty good luck with ACDSee, I’ve never had the database corrupt or anything – but I know some people have real problems with it.

  2. i.am.digiscrapper says:

    Peppermint – what you were saying about the puppet warp, about how it looks weird when you are transforming it – did you commit the edit? Because it generally looks really weird until you commit it by hitting the check button or enter or whatever, and then usually it looks great. :)

    • Peppermint says:

      I’m not sure if I did, actually? I’ve only messed with it a couple of times and each time there came a point where I felt like maybe I had made a wrong turn at one point. LOL I’m determined to play with it again some more using banners like Aaron talked about. I can’t help but think that the Puppet Tool would be a HUGE asset in designing. Hopefully his tutorial for The Daily Digi flips a switch for me.

  3. Katie says:

    Peppermint – I’m one happy scrapbook lady now that I can use that full rss thingy! Yay! :)

  4. Linda says:

    I am at the 25 minute mark and have to laugh, Step has to leave the state because Peppermint found out her last name. lol

    Seriously though, have you thought about hosting a photo walk during the digi convention in Vegas?

    I am trying to convince the DH that he too, needs to go to this. :>

    • steph says:

      I can’t wait to see what you think when you get to the end…lol ;)

      Katrina Kennedy is conducting a photo walk in Vegas! :)

    • steph says:

      Also, I think they will have events for non-participating SO’s that are tagging along ;)

      • Leonie - Australia says:

        Ha Ha Linda I was laughing & thinking the same thing, Steph sounded so horrified at Peppermint knowing her last name.

    • Peppermint says:

      (Actually, ever since I said that on the show I’ve had a handful of other people email me and say “I know Steph’s last name, too.” So I think she’s not as sneaky as she thinks she is.)

      (btw, she can’t read this if I put it in brackets so no one tell her, okay?)

  5. Anna Forrest says:

    Hey guys. Just wanted to let the shadow obsessed people know that you can change the angle of shadowing on individual elements with my Shadow Editor script (also at Pickleberrypop). It overrides that pesky global lighting setting in PSE! You can also use it to change the blend mode to get a better shadow on some of your papers too.

    Anyway, if anyone has any questions you can email me at myranalis at hotmail dot com.



    • steph says:

      I think we need to title a show “That Anna Forrest is a Genius!”

      • Anna Forrest says:

        Doh – well, maybe don’t get to carried away just yet. I just relistened to this part of the show and realised you guys said the settings changed in PSE7, but I test against PSE6. I’ll just get one of my testers to double check this in a later version too!

      • Anna Forrest says:

        Whew – OK you can put that show back on :) It definitely does override the global lighting settings in PSE7+ :)



      • StudioWendy says:

        Totally! She’s constantly making me look good too.

    • Anna – do you need to run put the shadow on it own layer first? Or can you just do with the shadow editor??? I have both. Plus I saw you have version 2 of the shadow onto a separate layer action. What exactly is the difference. I have version 1 I think and wonder if I need to upgrade.


      • Anna Forrest says:

        Ronnie –
        The major difference between version 1 and 2 of the Create Shadow Layer script is just that version 2 releases the shadows from multiple layers at once. Don’t buy 1 – I thought I’d disabled that product. I’ll go back and double check!

        The difference between the Create Shadow Layer script and the Shadow editor is that the editor changes the shadow style itself. It provides more options than PSE’s inbuilt style editing dialog (e.g. setting the blend mode and knock out settings – the knock out is useful for shadowing acrylics and vellum btw!)

        Once you release the style to its own layer the shadow editor can’t change it anymore since it is a layer – not a style. There is also an inner shadow editor which is mostly the exact same as the shadow editor except it works on inner shadow styles! One day I plan on getting around to the other style types, but I haven’t got there yet…

        Hope that helps!



        • Anna – I own release 1 – if I can click on multiple layers at once and run the action to get the shadows separated in one go then I need release 2. I thought this is what it was saying but didn’t want to buy it and then discover it wasn’t what I thought.


  6. mrshobbes says:

    I had to stop the episode for a bit to quickly say that I love what Katie said in that when you first start scrapping you have to find what you like first. And for me, that means making bad pages. I often fall into what’s called the “analysis-paralysis” rut: where I go look at beautiful pages and say “oh I wanna do that” and I’ll look for tutorials on doing it and then I’ll look for kits that have a look I wanna try, and then I think “oh I need to study this more” and go look at pages again, etc. In other words, I WON’T SCRAP because I keep thinking I’m going to make a muck out of it.

    The truth is, I’ve realized I need to allow myself to make mistakes and not judge myself when I do. I look at my earlier pages and woooooa do I cringe when I see my mistakes. But you know what’s so cool? I can still remember clearly the scrapping process for many of them. How I laughed remembering the story of a photo I was editing (even if I didn’t journal that story). Or knowing the very first layout I did when I could separate my shadow layers and play with the Warp tool–I’m still so proud of that one.

    It’s kind of like the whole process of learning to scrap is a story in itself, and the thing is, I wouldn’t have gotten that story (and continue to create the story, since I am still learning) if I hadn’t allowed myself to make mistakes. I’d like to say I’m better about letting myself make mistakes, but that’s not true, lol. I still beat myself up mentally when I feel I’m making a muck out of a page. I think the next time this happens to me I’m gonna go play this episode again.

    • anneberit says:

      So true! Making mistakes (and hopefully learning from them) are as much a part of the scrapbooking growth as it is in living life.

      And who says you can’t scrap another page with the same (or similar photos) and actually tell the story that wasn’t told the first time? I scrap my favorite photos at least twize!

  7. Sharon says:

    Regarding dating your layouts, I don’t always date the layout but I do date the file name. My file names are YYYYMMDDsubject
    I use Persnickety Prints and they print the file name on the back of the page.

    • Peppermint says:

      I date my files too, Sharon. Because I can’t be trusted to remember to date the pages. LOL

      Wondering, do you use the date you created the page or the date of the event/photo in the page? I date mine based on when I make them so that they sort oldest-newest in my folders purely for organizational reasons and that worked for the most part because I scrapped fairly chronologically.

      Now I’m jumping all over the calendar and the other day when I was saving a page I was like “Well this date won’t help me organize this into my album..” So now I need to re-evaluate.

      • mrshobbes says:

        I usually date the photo was taken (it’s in its metadata) and sometimes I date when I did the journaling. Um, the way I organize layouts is with folders, by year. That’s it. lol

        • Becky says:

          I date mine the same way, YYYYMMDD_title but use the date of the photo, b/c I don’t scrap chronologically, it helps me when I am putting them into photobooks.

    • StudioWendy says:

      I date the filenames too. It helps a ton when I’m assembling my photo books! I also now store the layouts in folders by year as well.

    • sarahdg says:

      I name my files as “2011 album page 25,” or similar, because I scrap in order. If I want to go out of order, I can always skip a couple page numbers and then go back. Or sometimes if I want to add a page later that I didn’t plan for, I’ll just call it “2011 album page 25a.” And I always have a date on the layout as well.

  8. Deirdre says:

    Awesome show! And not only because you read my questions;-)

    Katie, we newbies so appreciate getting to learn from the experience of the pioneers! I bought that same first digi-dedicated issue of Creating Keepsakes years ago, but it’s taken me this long to really go digi.

    When I look at my early paper pages, the only ones that make me cringe are the ones I made at crops or in a class that were never “me” to begin with. Even my cut-up photos are okay by me, because those pages do tell a story and represent that time to me.

    “World Spins Madly On” is my favorite Weepies song, Peppermint. Great pick!

    • Peppermint says:

      “World Spins Madly On” was the song that first introduced me to The Weepies. It came up once on my Pandora station and I was instantly smitten.

      • anneberit says:

        Loving the songs as well :)

      • mrshobbes says:

        It is because of P that I am now a crazy Weepies fan. “Can’t Go Back Now” is my favorite :) I can recall days where that was the only thing I played on iTunes :P

      • sarahdg says:

        Peppermint, if you like the Weepies and other similarly melancholy folk music, you should give a listen to Lucy Wainwright Roche and Chris Pureka. (Two separate artists.) They are both women-with-guitar solo acts. Two of my favorite songs are “The Saddest Sound” by Lucy and “Swan Song” by Chris, but they really have all great songs.

  9. Susan Paquin says:

    I’ve been a lurker for a while, it’s time I spoke up. Great show, as always! Steph, welcome back to Seattle. I’m excited that you’ll be in my neck of the woods (I’m a Seattle transplant from Baltimore). Yay!
    Peppermint, just checked out the Weepies. I love being turned on to some great new music, thanks!
    Thanks for all you do, guys. I so appreciate all your hard work, your generous sharing of your time, tips, and talents … and thanks for making me laugh out loud … many times … every episode!
    EOM :)

  10. Ok, so I feel better that PSE6 is not one that Katie loves, it’s the only PSE I have or have played with and I feel like it’s the reason I haven’t digi dabbled as much as I thought I would. I just get frustrated (oh and I have to look up tuts for everything LOL). I got a chance to try the My Memories Suite software and it is really easy for newbs. I LOVE that I can use other folks kits with it because I don’t love the ones it came with and you guys reccommend so many awesome designers. I do have a giveaway on my blog for it now but delete the comment if it’s uncool for me to share the link, ok… http://scrapfaire.blogspot.com/2011/08/sunday-giveaway-thanks-to-my-memories.html
    They did let me try it out for free, and I haven’t heard you guys mention it, but they talk about Katie on their blog and reccommend her tips and tricks!

  11. coffeebabs says:

    Thanks so much for your show. I love, love, love, it! It has made exercising, housework, yardwork, long driving trips, waiting, enjoyable experiences! Being a newbie (found digiscrap this past January) and a tendency towards perfectionism, this show was especially poignant. I personally find that I CAN make mistakes in digiscrapping. Love that undo button! And, being able to look back at my first pages, I can see how far I have come. Gives me encouragement. I have been able to experiment with my creative side in a “safe” environment. It has given me the freedom to make mistakes, which has actually overflowed into the rest of my life (decorating, fashion, etc.). It has given me a sense of self, a “this is me” feeling. I love that this hobby, that I absolutely love, benefits (and is for) my family as well. Again, thank you for your show! On a side note to Peppermint, I was just reading today in the Women’s World that you can boost your creativity with sarcasm and thought of you! It said that “in a recent study, folks who heard others making sarcastic comments were better at solving problems requiring creative thinking…”. Love it!

  12. Katie (sakura-panda) says:

    I use the default shadows in PSE too. (PSEv7, having recently upgraded from PSEv3 about 18 months ago.) I do get frustrated with them on some of my elements and didn’t know how to fix that. I really appreciate all the shadow talk this time because it sounds like one of those actions is exactly what I need to fix that particular frustration. Thanks!

  13. Bobbi says:

    Great show, as always! I loved your emphasis on the importance of journaling and story-telling, and how that is what will truly make these pages significant to our families. –My mother-in-law passed away last year, and shortly before that had to move to assisted living from the house where my husband and all his siblings had been raised. This happened right at the beginning of my scrapbooking adventure, and I made a page with a picture of the house and wrote down my feelings at the sadness I felt at our family’s loss of that gathering place. It was definitely not a gallery standout (I don’t think any of the artistic side of scrapbooking will ever come easily to me). But my mother-in-law was leafing through the book on one of her last visits with us, and she said the page had brought tears to her eyes. Whatever design deficiencies the page may have, it is now priceless both for the memory it records and for the new one associated with it.

    Good luck with the move Steph – don’t know how I will get through until the next episode!

    • Peppermint says:

      I once joked with my mom that I was going to start a “teardrop rating system” of all my pages based on her reaction to each one. She’s my most faithful blog reader, I think, so she usually sees every page I make and then sends me a text message along the lines of “I’m totally sobbing in my office right now over your latest page.”

      My mom is the type who will break into the ugly cry over a dog food commercial, she’s a very emotional woman. Haha.

  14. Leonie - Australia says:

    Peppermint in regards to scrapping old photos I would start it with something like ” When I look at this photo of you it brings back memories of …………. whatever it is you want to tell the story of, or ” I love this photo of you from ……. it bring back wonderful memories of when we used to ………….” If you start the journaling with a sentence that indicates that the photo is bringing back a memory, it will show it was an older photo but you are doing the journaling at a later date. Hope that gives you some ideas.

    • Peppermint says:

      Thanks for the tips! I think I have to decide whether I want these older photos to be part of some older albums or mixed in with my current albums. That’s what’s hanging me up. Right now I have Nicholas’ albums separated by year, and I’m paralyzed with indecision.

      I just remembered this morning that Cindy Schneider over at Sweet Shoppe is a scrapper who frequently scraps older photos along with her current ones, because I know I’ve commented on her layouts before and said how much I admire her ability to jump back and forth like that. I need to go check out her gallery and see how she does it, I think.

      • Leonie - Australia says:

        You could still put the layout in the year that the photo relates to. I think that it would be interesting to have some stories throughout that were written at a later date but it is still relevant to that period. All my scrapbooks of my kids were done with older photos and the journaling done years later and I just put them in the years that related to their ages. Though you could certainly pop the layout in with newer layouts if it worked in with the rest of the album. As everyone keeps saying as long as the story gets told it doesn’t really matter which book it ends up in! Good luck :)
        PS Another thought if you end up doing lots of those pages you could have an entire book devoted just to those new pages. After all that I am sure I have just confused you more LOL.

      • Shannan says:

        I have only recently started doing layouts with older photos (I too have been inspired by organising my photos) and I am just putting them in the current album for that child. I don’t scrapbook chronologically (even though it’s usually the latest photos I am inspired by) so my albums are chronological by when I made the page rather than by when the photo/event happened. It’s nice to see some baby photos interspersed with the current photos of my four year old and it also shows a progression in scrapbook style doing it this way.

      • Jan says:

        Peppermint, I didn’t start scrapping until my youngest son left for college! So all of my journaling is looking back and I pretty much always scrap old pictures. I loved what you said about the ‘voice of your books’ – made me think.

        • iDebbie says:

          It made me think too as most of the photos I’m scrapping now are the childhood pix of my three grown kids. I did CM paper layouts for some of those photos, but am mostly digiscrapping them now. I’ve found the journaling to be very difficult, especially b/c of how much detail I’ve forgotten, so it’s great to hear another idea about how to approach the journaling.

          Also, if I’ve forgotten too many details about an event or vacation and my kids or hubby aren’t giving me any help, I’ll just make up something based on what I’m seeing in the photos or how I personally want to remember the event/trip. LOL! ;)

          Thanks from me too, Peppermint! :)

  15. Peppermint have you thought about scrapping the old photos with current photos so you can do a comparison journaling?? It will allow you to use your normal journaling voice but get those older photos done. Just a thought

    • Peppermint says:

      Definitely! As I (slowly) re-organize my photos I’m finding many common threads between older photos and newer ones that would work well for comparison photos – I’m actually getting ready to settle down with my laptop and work on one tonight.

      I think part of the reason that I’m looking at all of these older photos so much is because I’m feeling all wistful about the boy growing up. There aren’t as many cute moments when they start acting like teenagers. LOL I’m going through cute moment withdrawal.

  16. So fun to hear from Aaron again, guess we’ll have to wait for his next school break for daytime recording. I really owe him and Katie for their organisation tips, my e-mail and rss reader are more tidy and quick these days, though my kids still complain about Mom getting sucked into the computer.

    I have a pick of the week too – to bounce off of Sir Scrapalot’s idea:

    And I just made my first Ravelry advertisement for my first knitting pattern: it was a lot like digital scrapbooking.

  17. Angie says:

    Off topic question. I can’t figure out why when I look on my Toshiba laptop screen and then print to my printer (canon mx882), they are different. I bought this thing called elements+ (which I love and would put in as a pick of the week for elements users) and I can mimic the color that comes out on the printer. It is called soft proof. So, it almost looks like on the printer it looks greener or washed out. How do I make it so the two are the same. I remember Steph saying something about calibrating her monitor but I really don’t want to spend a lot so that I can just see the same as on my printer. What I can’t figure out is how to get the printer to agree to my screen – not vice versa. Thanks for the help ladies!

    • Angie says:

      Ok, I just figured it out after about three hours. Clean and simple, turn off color correction.

  18. So excited. I have been thinking about how Steph has said she’d searched for all previews using the name file and preview. I’ve found in Elements organizer that you can do this under find by details. So it was so easy to go back and do for the ones I’d missed. But even better when I upload more than one kit at a time I’ve found the designer users the same start to all the file name so for example Stephs free gift this month I searched on “TDD_Steph_August” and I was able to tag them in one go under my August digi tag. This helps when several kits have staples and your not sure which one belongs to which kit when you look at the untagged items. So happy to have worked this out – back to my tagging now – just had to share a minor break through in my cataloging!

    • Had to drop in again say – for anyone who hasn’t cataloged by designer this is now so easy to do. Just search on the standard that the designer uses for the file. So Allie Edwards files are aedwards and then you can select all apply the tag. When I set-up my catalog I didn’t think I needed the designer so didn’t do it. Added this in last few months but hadn’t gone back due to the time. Now I have done about 10 designers in 10 minutes!

  19. Shannan says:

    I just wanted to add a comment about photo size in layouts. I am with Katie and love doing layouts with large photos, but templates/pages with tiny photos are perfect for cell phone photos.

  20. Sarah says:

    I’m listening to pds49 – making it look like paper, and i have a question. Steph, you mentioned dodging and burning, and no one really added to that idea after that. What is dodging and burning? I’ve heard you mention it in passing several times on the digi show like everyone’s doing it, but I’ve never heard of it!!! Am I scrap illiterate?!?! (hee hee) can you explain what dodging and burning is, what it does, can you do it in pse (I’m pse6 on mac) and why do you love it so much? love the show!

  21. michelle says:

    Steph, at one point during the show, my ears perked up when you talked about a “lock button” in PS that allows you to resize an image to scale–where is this? I have CS5 and can’t find it! I know I can hold down the Shift key and grab corners, but I am used to PSE when I used to be able to just resize to scale without holding down the Shift key. Where’s that lock button??

    • Peppermint says:

      If you have the Transform tool activated (CTRL + T) and you look up at the toolbar at the top, you’ll see the “W: 100.00%” and “H: 100.00%” fields up there, and in the middle of the two there’s a little chain link graphic that activates the aspect ratio lock. If you click on that then you don’t have to hold the Shift key down while you drag at any of the resize points. You could also just enter a value in the first box (i.e. 50%) and click the lock and it’ll automatically enter 50% into the other.

      • michelle says:

        Oh thank you, Peppermind, I see! I sure wish this worked when the Move Tool was selected and I am resizing, but that is okay. Thanks. :)

  22. michelle says:

    wups, Peppermint not Peppermind. LOLOL! I should not be allowed to post so late at night. ;)

  23. Lisa says:

    Hey guys, just got caught up again, haven’t been driving around as much lately for whatever reason, but I started walking again and now I have podcast time again, lol. Loved this show, as usual. Sad to hear that you’re taking a longish break. I was wondering if there would be a coupon code for Get It Scrapped for September. There’s a new class over there (Blending and Beyond by Jana Morton) that I’d love to take, and the introductory price is only good through 9/16, before there’ll be a new episode of The Digi Show up. Thanks!

  24. Tania says:

    Have been listening to the podcast out of order on road trips for work & as a result I need help finding out what the name of the designer who makes templates for scrapping with larger photos is? I’ve been trawling through the comments of the last few but for all I know it was 10 shows ago…can anyone help please?? Thanks! :)

    • Katie says:

      There are several that we mentioned and our listeners commented on some also. Kitty Designs at Oscraps, Scrapping with Liz at Scrap Orchard, Go Large templates by Misty Cato at Sweet Shoppe Designs, Ali Edwards at Designer Digitals, Jenn Lindsay at After 5 Designs (she has spaces for big, blended photos) are some of my favorites. Don’t forget that you can stretch just about any template to make the photo space bigger. See this post http://thedailydigi.com/my-favorite-template-trick/ for details

      • Tania says:

        Thanks for replying so fast! Will go check them out :) Love your podcast by the way…makes the road trips heaps more fun…the only down side being I can’t make notes on what to check out as I’m driving! Will be heading to the home town of Flergs for work in a week or two…small world…was so excited to hear an Aussie accent on the show :)

  25. Deirdre says:

    Would it be possible to post the date of the next show on the site’s homepage? I keep clicking over in hope of a new show! Thanks.

  26. Sara says:

    As I was listening to this episode I realized more than a few times that I was nodding my head in agreement to the discussion, lol!

    And as you were discussing the first pages..and the feelings of disappointment or horror when looking at them, I was struck by that common thread Peppermint mentioned..that we have ALL been there.

    And I was reminded by this quote by Maya Angelou that I love so much (and *cling* to when I think of my first pages..and in life in general): “Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better.”

    There is such a powerful truth in those words. It helps us to let go of those “regrets and mistakes” and just move on. It’s all part of the growth and the process.

    Fabulous, encouraging episode!

  27. rachel says:

    I’m a relatively new listener and am slowly going back through these old shows. Peppermint’s mention of the fulltextrssfeed made me so excited. I’m going through my reader now converting several feeds of blogs I follow. Seriously….lifechanging!


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